Today, I went to the Nationals home opener at RFK stadium and witnessed the overwhelming booing that rained down on Dick Cheney as he threw out the first pitch. It was almost hard to bear.
I'm not a hardcore Republican, but I felt that the fans were really out of line. I mean, why do DC people feel as if everything involves a political statement? We are there watching baseball, and it is kind of neat to see one of our top elected officials paying homage to the game as well. The least you can do is sit there and keep your mouth shut if you don't approve. The boos were really too much.
On a side note, the Nationals sucked it up today on the field, and I do not have any problem with fans booing them (or at least their GM Bowden) for the pathetic showing on the field.
"New York third baseman David Wright said he was thrilled to meet Cheney and shrugged off the booing.
'When you’ve got 50 percent of America that’s Republican, 50 percent that’s Democrat, you’re probably going to get mixed reviews,' Wright said."
Haha. Well said, David Wright. But I still like to keep my politics and baseball separated.
Clue #1: I was there and booing.
Posted by: Secret Santa | Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 10:54 PM
Dear Secret Santa,
You've been revealed. I looked up your IP. Who else do I know from Lexington, Kentucky?
Cmon man, why cloak yourself in shadows? Is it to expose your ignorance of what the phrase ad hominem means?
Posted by: otium cum dignitate | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 05:20 PM
yeah mr. secret santa-we now know-you're travis from kentucky. you've been revealed by zach's superb spying abilities!
Posted by: marlowe | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 05:22 PM
Law school's boring, but not boring enough for me to have the time to mask my IP address. Zach should know my habit for abusing e-anonymity. I'll admit it -- sometimes, I get bored and try to start pointless fights (even with strangers).
What I won't concede is that the distinction I sought to draw between ad hominem and ad argumentum was incorrect. Please read Santa's first comment. Santa's attack is directed at (1) Marlowe's comment and (2) Marlowe's opinions. An ad hominem argument is not technically an argument at all. It is a fallacy. It is fallacious insofar as it seeks to reject one's argument by attacking an irrelevant aspect of his character. Here's an example:
M: Abortion is terrorism.
S: Of course you'd say that -- you're fat.
M: But what about the support I gave?
S: Wrong. You're fat, therefore you must say abortion is terrorism.
There are some flaws in this example, but, as a whole, it is passable. The hallmark of an ad hominem fallacy is the direction and justification of one's claim go to the characteristics of a person, rather than his argument. One's (1) comment and (2) opinions are not part of one's man, one's person. This is where I suppose opinions may differ. My guiding authority is the literal meaning of "hominem." I'm no Latin scholar, but in my understanding of it, homiem most closely corresponds to "man" or "person." You who swap Scalia facts between classes doubtlessly appreciate this line of argument.
Furthermore, describing an argument as "inane" and "tactless" doesn't necessarily mean one disagrees with it, or at least seeks to disclaim it. While it surely provides adequate grounds for inference, let's be painfully clear: if I say that your argument is stupid, it isn't necessarily so that I think it's not true, or that I seek to argue it. It's merely critique, albeit mealy-mouthed. An ad hominem necessarily seeks to reject a claim.
Lastly, I'd like to stoop lower still. In fact, I'll just offer a tidbit of a recent dialogue with a good friend -- let's call him Z.
T: seriously though, why do you think i'm wrong about the distinction between ad hominem and ad argumentum
Z: because it was an ad hominem attack
T: dude, that's a tautological argument
Z: mostly i wa sjust...ok. fuck that word. thats one of the stupidest words. and law people like to use it to sound smart. my moot court judge used it. i wanted to punch her in the face. she's stupid.
Two disclaimers: (1) I hardly ever believe what I say; (2) this is the internet.
And an apology: Sorry for ruffling any feathers, sorry for peppering this comment with double negatives. I'm a tired soul who'd rather quibble over things about which he doesn't give a damn than prepare for exams that'll determine how easy his life is.
Posted by: Travis Lloyd | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 06:14 PM
Cherry Blossoms 06? Zach, come on.
Posted by: Travis Lloyd | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 06:19 PM
What? Is there something about a cherry blossoming that you find offensive?
N: Dave, let me eat your cherry!
D: WHAAAATTTTTT?
N: Cmon dave, im eating your cherry!!
D: WHA WHA WHA WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT?
N: IM EATING YOUR CHERRY DAVE, WATCH ME WHEN I EAT YOUR CHERRY!!!!
Posted by: otium cum dignitate | Friday, April 14, 2006 at 09:16 AM
Wow. I wonder if we can rent out those two rooms in Sentelle for our summer vacation. I suppose we'd also have to enlist D & C to fight in the hallway. And we'd have to buy some more socks. And station Fozzy at the other end of the hall.
Posted by: Travis Lloyd | Friday, April 14, 2006 at 09:54 AM
Mmmm. Socks are sexy...
Posted by: Some Character | Friday, April 14, 2006 at 11:45 AM
Not a "hardcore Republican," Zach? i hope you are not any type of Republican. I didn't think the Russian Orthodoxers were big "values voters." Boo for Pubs. and for Cheney. F that guy. F him hard and F him long.
it would be something else if the Bush Admin. officials ever faced public criticism, but as we all know, they never do; they just pack arenas with pre-approved fellaters. Cheney deserves to hear some boos because otherwise he never does.
Posted by: Allen | Saturday, April 15, 2006 at 12:28 AM
K, so now that I have been cleared of the "crime against humanitity" that is being Santa, i thought i'd post something about the Ad Hominem/ad Arguendum thing:
Both necessarily reject the claim in question, and both are fallacies imagine the following hypothetical:
person A: Proposition P
ad hominem-ing Marlowe: Person A, You're Gay.
ad Arguendo-ing Travis: Proposition P is just stupid (tactless, innane, whatever).
Both marlowe and Travis are rejecting proposition P (in formal, symbolic logic, they are arguing ~P.)
the flaw is that neither has actually addressed the truth-value of P; Marlowe has just said, in effect, that P can't be true because the person arguing P sleeps with men.
Travis said, in effect, that P can't be true because it was not spoken artfully.
both Travis and Marlowe are 1)rejecting the comment and 2) retards.
Posted by: Jordan | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 12:05 PM
P/S see that, there, at the end, that was an ad hominem attack.
Posted by: Jordan | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 12:06 PM
I don't think an ad argumentum is necessarily an attack on the character of an argument, or the artfulness with which it is stated. Never did I purport to address the "truth value" of the argument. In fact, I only addressed what "ad hominem" meant.
I think before we get giddy at the prospect of clearing out the cobwebs on our understanding of 200-level Philosophy classes, we must read the language before us, carefully.
Posted by: Travis Lloyd | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 10:11 PM
Thank goodness I'm not going to law school and won't turn into you pedantic douchebags
Just kidding
Posted by: Skip | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 05:25 PM